you know, back in the '80s when reagan cut the tax obligation, cut the regulation, we didn't have this enormous, huge burden. we were creating 300, 400, 500,000 jobs a month. that's real growth. that's real opportunity for people's lives. right now we have 47 million people on food stamps in this country. we are trying to at least go back to what bill clinton and newt gingrich did in having a work program. if you're able-bodied and you don't have children to have to take care of, you should be able to provide some form of work. we also have eligibility issues. people are able to go and subscribe to food stamps without hardly any requirements on eligibility. that's not right. >> well, perhaps, sir, but with regard to the work requirement, you got to be able to find a job. as you well know, it's pretty hard in many, many parts of this country. but nonetheless -- >> the opportunity need to be there. >> i do appreciate your time, as always. >> thank you. >>> it is a new book. did the president really want to dump vice president biden for hillary clinton? that's next. le a body in motion te